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gadhafi ended his program and moussa koussa was part of those negotiations, as well, turning over an entire nuclear program. >> what's the line, though? when you go from killing americans to helping us enough that we say forgive and forget? >> you never say forgive and forg.e. you make the practical decisions. that's what the bush administration did in normalizing relations with gadhafi, which at that time was deemed the right thing. thank you, good night from new york. "piers morgan tonight" starts right now. tonight, fears of a massacre in libya and a top man in moammar gadhafi's regime. could he be the mastermind behind the lockerbie bombing? will he face procedures cushion? i'll ask the attorney and a woman who lost her husband in lockerbie. the price of turmoil as the arab world reels, oil goes sky high. what it means for you. then a revealing interview with dwayne "the rock" johnson. and with the rock, rules are
made to be broken. >> i have the ability to rectify a situation by putting my fist across their lips and putting my abuse up their [ bleep ]. you can always put your money on the rock. >> and in hollywood -- >> tonight you will go one on one with the most electrifying man in all of hollywood. >> tonight, what bown dwayne johnson, and what he has in common with president obama. then his way. a hollywood legend who knows everyone who's anyone. it's jerry weintraub's private of that might surprise you the most. this is "piers morgan tonight." good evening, nato's in charge of strike missions in libya tonight after the united states hands over command. meanwhile, the libyan rebels are begging for more air strikes. rebel forces in misurata are under siege, and cnn's fred pletkin got into the city and
reports from a boat delivering medical supplies and food to misurata. >> reporter: the sboet one that we used to get into misurata. it transports medical aid and food supplies to help the hospitals but also people who have had to flee their homes. it's a very difficult thing to do because the port area in misurata has been under fire from pro-gadhafi forces, and there's even been a small boat assault on that port area. so it was quite a difficult thing to do. now the scene in misurata is really one of utter devastation. we saw in the report how the opposition fighters were sort of going through that area. it's really hard to ascertain who is in control of certain areas. you walk through a street, you'll see an opposition checkpoint and walk a couple of yards further on, and you'll start having gunfire ring out and bullets whiz by your head because that's an area that's being taken under fire by snipers from the pro-gadhafi forces. by and large, i would say that the opposition is in control of
more of misurata than the pro-gadhafi forces are, although of course the pro-gadhafi forces have much more sophisticated and heavy weaponry. we saw tanks being fired. we also saw artillery fire that hit the port area, also hit some residential areas, as well. it is a really bloody battle. the humanitarian situation, of course, on the heels of that is a devastating one. we went to one of the only functioning hospitals in misurata. and it's clear that the doctors there are absolutely overwhelmed by the situation. and one of the things they told us is that normally when someone would get a gunshot wound or something, you could treat the wound. now they say they simply don't have the time because they have so many casualties coming in that in many cases they'll will have to amputate a leg or arm. so the humanitarian situation is clearly one that's difficult. the lack of supplies is also something that weighs heavily on top of all the other problems that the medical staff have. this boat that we use to get
into misurata is one of the few that is bringing medical supplies to the opposition there, more than to be able to come to terms with all the problems that they have in treating these patients and with also coming to terms with the situation on the ground there. piers? >> fred pleitgen, thank you. moussa koussa is is in flight from libya, now officials want to question him about the bombing of pan am flight 103 in lockerb lockerbie. joining me is the attorney general of the united states under president george. with busch. what is the legal position with this man as stand today? >> if in fact he had anything to do with the bombing of 103, that is either by way of transmitting or giving the orders, then he could be tried by a scottish court. he could be tried by a u.s. court, but only for destroying
the airplane. >> scottish prosecutors, they've asked to talk to him. at the moment he's down in london, do you think they'll be given that chance? >> i think they'll be given the chance to talk to him. particularly in view of the release of al megrahi, i think that people are fairly nervous about treating him with kid gloves. i would think they would at least talk to him. >> because moussa koussa played an active role in getting al megrahi released. he was one of the key players. >> right. beyond that if he's at all responsible for the act itself they'll want to talk to him. he's somebody that can provide an enormous amount of intelligence about, obviously about gadhafi. and so i would think that he is in the process of talking about his astyle eieylum application speak. >> it's tricky because this guy defected from gadhafi, is useful to us. but we've not given diplomatic immunity. of course if we are able to link
him to the lockerbie bombing, then this raises serious questions about what we do with him. he should be really tried for that atrocity which i would imagine will not be the biggest encouragement to other members of the gadhafitime regime to d. >> i think there's a cost benefit analysis going on about how much he's worth as compared to how much we, that is the -- both the british and the americans, want him prosecuted. >> what's the position in relation to gadhafi himself? do you see any prospects that he could be brought to justice and tried under war crimes? >> it's -- any prospect? it's conceivable, sure. but he's taken the position that he isn't going to be taken alive. and presumably he'll make good on that or bad on it. as the case may be. >> what do you make of what is happening in libya now as an american and as a judge? >> as an american, i'm --
obviously to the extent that somebody has it in mind to get rid of gadhafi, that's all to the good. on the other hand, there have been reports that there are fighters in pakistan and elsewhere who are spoiling to get back there and set up an islamist state. so it's a worrisome situation. >> judge merkazy, thank you very much for your time. i want to turn to a woman who lost her husband in the bombing of pan am flight 103. we've spoken before about the situation. obviously there's been this big significant ghmt relation to the defection by moussa koussa. what was your reaction to this, and what do you think should happen to him? >> my concern right now with moussa koussa is that it seems that the scottish authorities want to talk to him. and frankly, as a panama 103 family member, i have no confidence in the scottish
system. and i question why the u.s. government not prosecuting this case. why did they betray the 189 americans and the majority of which were passengers on pan am 103 and ad dick abdicate the prn of the two agents that stood trial years ago. >> i understand why you want these people brought to justice as fast as possible. i would imagine from the administration's point of view it's a very difficult juggling act in terms of diplomacy because they have defected from gadhafi, weakening gadhafi's position. and they may be able to help in capturing him. would you ever see a position where you would trade immunity for people like moussa koussa in return for the capture of gadhafi himself? >> well, moussa koussa should be given a really cushy cell
somewhere, and i understand that he needs medical treatment, and that would be great, as well. but i really feel that it's important that our country, america, try to go after and prosecute those involved with the bombing of pan am 103. you know, they -- in the last case when al megrahi was convicted, they decided not to go and look anywhere else. they didn't figure out who ordered al megrahi to bomb the plane. gadhafi never cooperated with that whole trial. and our country rewarded gadhafi with billions of dollars worth of oil contracts instead. >> victoria cullock, thank you. the price of oil is soaring. crude hit the highest level in 2 1/2 years today, at $106.72 a barrel. here to explain what this means for your money is muhammad alarian, ceo of pimco, the
pacific investment company. thank you for joining me. oil prices are exploding. what is your take on this? >> so they're exploding for two reasons. the immediate reason is supply, with what's happening in libya, happening in the middle east. the markets are pricing in an uncertainty premium because they're not sure that supplies are assured. then there's the demand side which is every single day as more chinese, more indians get wealthy, they demand more. think of someone going from a bicycle to a car. suddenly the demand for oil goes up significantly. put these things together, and we have, as you said, high and volatile prices. >> and there was a development today in kuwait. what was that? >> what you had was the resignation of the government. so what you're seeing in the middle east is very differentiated. some countries are responding by repression. that's what we've seen in libya. that's what you've seen in yemen. other countries are trying to get ahead of the movements. and they're trying to take action to preempt possible protests. that's what we've seen in kuwait. but we've also seen it in jordan. >> we're seeing uprisings in
almost every country in the middle east now. do you predict economic turmoil for some considerable time? >> i predict uncertainty for quite a bit of time. i predict that we are going to feel that impact in terms of high oil prices. today alone has added ten cents to every gallon of gas that you put in your car. the transmission is pretty quick. so we're going to see that. i'm not sure you're going to get massive turmoil. i think you're going to get much more differentiated outcomes. >> you've also just come back from japan. what did you find? >> so i went there to thank our colleagues who have been doing an amazing job in the our tokyo office, and nothing prepared me. i was in london and given a piece of paper saying that the plane would make an unscheduled stop in korea. i said, why, and they said, because we change crew there. we don't want any of our crew to stay overnight in tokyo. >> wow. >> i got there, and the airport's empty. you get a strange feeling. then just talking to people -- not just what they've been
through. i've been to other places where there have been disasters. but the fact that there's uncertainty. and radiation is this invisible threat, and it's impacting how people are thinking. there's a massive amount of uncertainty. of course, electricity blackouts. the airport had no heating there. it brought to me that this is not going to be a place that bounces back quickly. >> we've got a huge problem in the middle east. will everything that's happening in japan, tragic though it's been, will that impact on the rest of the planet, do you think? or in terms of the economy, are they able to withwithstand it o their own? >> in the short term, this is a headwind for everybody because it disrupts demand, it disrupts supply chains. over the long term we're going to see massive reconstruction. so as long as we can navigate the next few months, we'll be okay. the next few months are going to be more difficult than they would have been otherwise. >> is your general advice to the american consumer tighten the belt a bit? >> it is. it's certainly not run up your
if there's one thing you need to know about my next guest, it's don't bet against dwayne johnson, the man you may known as "the rock," is a star in the ring, a star in hollywood, a star everything, aren't you? >> a star everything, yes. >> what i find fascinating about you -- i'm going to come to this more in the second part of the interview. but when you consider where you've come from to where you've now found yourself -- there's only one way you've done that, and that's self-drive and determination. what do you think -- where do you think that has come from?
>> i would have to say -- i would have to say growing up and the examples that were set for me from my parents. you know, we struggle aid l-- struggled a lot. my dad was successful in his own right, he was a successful wrestler. a local star at that time before the business of professional wrestling became global, if you will. but there was a lot of struggle. and watching them struggle and watching them pull through it. and having that example. and also not only in addition to that example, i think consistently being told that whatever it is you want to do, you've got to get after it. you -- you got to get after it. there's no substitute for hard work, hard work always pays. those tape of m-- those type of mantras over time. >> did you ever imagine even in your most outrageous dreaming, did you ever imagine you'd reach the stage where you're a $10 million-a-movie star?
>> no, i didn't. i wanted to entertain. when i was 8 years old, i thought i was a combination of these guys. i thought i was a combination of chuck norris, richard pryor, harrison ford, and rocky balbo amp and habalboa. and haired son ford from "indiana jones," and elvis presley, too, at 8. >> lofty ambition. >> right. i knew at 8 i wanted to be an entertainer, and i loved the idea and what it meant. and when i was 8, i saw "indiana jones" for the first time. and i loved that character. wow, that guy was so heroic, he kicked ass, and he -- >> you're more a rocky balboa. >> right. >> one of my favorite all-time movies. >> me, too. sure. >> i know sly stallone well, interviewed him many times. your story's more like his. where you just -- you came from nothing, you didn't have anything, didn't have a penny -- i say a pen, a dollar to rub between your fingers.
you had nothing. yet like rocky, you had the street smarts and the determination. and you say that's mainly from your parents, you think? >> well, i think a good portion it is, sure. especially while you're growing up and those are your examples of what it's like to get beat down. in terms of the struggle, what it's like to be evicted, what it's like to have your car repossessed and watch your parents go through that i think is defining as a kid. for me, too, i knew i wanted to be something, and it was important for me to be something. it was important to me that i didn't fail. by the way, if i did fail, what was also important was the lesson. and i didn't realize it until i got older. when you're in it, in the grind, you don't really recognize those things when you're younger. but i could recognize it now and the importance now. and in terms of the drive and the determination, a lot of it was experience, too.
get your ass kicked, you get back up and put the gloves on and you swing away. >> rocky, like i said. >> sure. >> i want to play a clip from your famous "s&l" appearance. there's a reason i want to play this. watch this. >> and my friend, i'm starting to think you may not be up to it. >> mr. president, are you okay? ♪ >> oh, my god. what happened? >> what happened was you made barack obama angry. and when you make barack obama angry, he turns into the rock obama. >> i loved that sketch. >> thank you. i had fun. >> the parallels are
interesting. you're both from hawaii, you and the president. both come from pretty modest beginnings. both got 9-year-old daughters. >> sure. >> you're not quite in the white house yet, but you know, there's still time. when you look at what's happened with barack obama, do you see parallels with your life? >> well, the -- certainly the ones that you mentioned, sure, plus i think growing up in hawaii -- hawaii's a very warm and proud place to grow up. and, you know, certainly barak will always talk about that. so i think that the best thing about barak is his ability to be open, his ability to be flexible. his ability to make sure things are done in a very precise way with somewhat of an iron fist. i love that. and the skit there was "saturday night live" and coming up with that is saying what would happen if barack obama got really angry? who would heathrow o -- who wo e
he throw out the window of the white house? we spent time at the white house with the first lady and daughters -- >> what did you talk to the president about? >> oh, many private things, piers. >> really? >> no, not at all. no, at that time we were talking about -- it was just a connection. hey, how you doing, i support you -- >> rewind. rewind. you can't just lob in "i chat to the president on the phone," without explaining how you came to talk to him on the phone. >> piers, i'm the rock. understand? no. >> seriously, that's true. >> it was -- it was when he was running for president that time. he was out campaigning. and it was just a quick call, quick check-in call. and -- >> you ever been tempted into politics? you've watched jesse ventura, arnold schwarzenegger, you know, people who have come from not dissimilar backgrounds, entertainment as you. you ever think maybe i'll have a go?
>> sure -- you know, i thought about it. but i think, you know, my idea of impacting, you know, the world would just be through entertainment. for me, at this point now through entertaining the audiences worldwide, that's my way. what the ultimate goal is to impact. i want to make impact in a lot of ways. >> if you were president hypothetically, what would you do? >> in what way? >> ultimate power, the president of the united states. what are the things that would really be passionate to you? >> i would be passionate about taking care of our troops and protecting our troops. passionate about education. passionate about protecting our great country. very passionate about that. >> when you see -- >> i'd be a damn good-looking president and humble. >> you've got a smile not dissimilar to president obama's. has anyone said that before? >> they have. >> it must be the hawaii smile. >> it's in the water. >> you can both -- >> it's in the water, salt
water. >> how do you think he's doing? >> i think he's doing a great job, and i'm proud of him. he's the president of the united states with the incredible responsibilities you have. he came in at a challenging time, but i think he's done a great job. you know, it's obviously as you know as we all know, it's a polarizing position. people are going to love you, people are going to hate you. i think that he's been steadfast, and he, again, just -- always very smart and intelligent, well thought out, very flexible and open. but also making sure that it's important, understanding the power of communication. and there's great power in that, and you can find great success in that and can make a lot of incredible things happen. you can make and move mountains with that. i think he's doing, again, a great job. >> when we come back, we're going to talk -- put your arm up for a minute. >> okay. >> wrestling. >> all right. >> wow. >> you're strong.
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i want to take this moment in the middle of this ring to tell you why i'm back. [ cheers ] >> it's not because of the money. it's not to promote a movie. i am back in the middle this ring because of you. [ cheers ] >> it's a clip of the rock at work in the ring. i'm back, my guest, dwayne johnson. when you see that -- you're back now hosting wrestlemania. but everyone's asking one question -- are you ever going to get back and start wrestling again? >> i'm open to it. >> you are? >> very open to it. sure. i've always been open to it. i -- you know, when i left wrestling seven years ago, at that time two things happened. i accomplished everything that i wanted to accomplish in wrestling. and i also wanted to become -- i
also wanted to become a good actor. that was important to me. and to have the ability to work in different genres. in order to do that i felt i needed to concentrate solely and commit myself to acting. >> you have a 9-year-old daughter. >> yes. >> who is obviously the great love of your life at the moment. >> very much so. yes. >> you have a remarkably good relationship with your ex-wife, which is unusual in show business. >> yes. >> how have you managed that? how have you managed to stay such good friends? you still work together, right? >> we do. she's my manager, she has a management company. she's done extraordinarily well just on her own professionally. when we realized that we weren't meeting the expectation of marriage and that things were falling apart -- >> that was an interesting phrase. i read that a lot at the time. what was your expectation of marriage? >> my expectation of marriage? you know, i don't quite know what my expectation of marriage was back then. i'd made a lot of mistakes, and
i didn't have the ability or wherewithal, i think, or the capacity to stop for a moment and say, god, i'm really screwing up. can we just stop for a moment and let's talk about this. so i can't tell you what it was then. i can tell you today that i value a relationship. when i love you, i can really love you, whether it's my ex-wife, my girlfriend, my little girl, or my friends, my guys, my buddies, whatever it is. i value that relationship. i value relationships today. so getting back to my ex and how we work together, as we went through all that and went through divorce and we all know our close friends and family have gone through divorce, and there's a period where we went through a lot of sludge, but you got through it. and i was very fortunate that i had her -- who had the wherewithal to say, okay, we're going to go through this, and it's terrible. but there's somewhere on the other side, if we -- there's
somewhere on the other side that we're going to become better. she's happily in a relationship, i'm happy in a relationship, too. and -- but it's so incredibly loving and seamless what we have. and the best part about it is the example we're setting for our little girl. >> who's the lucky girl in your life now then? >> i can't tell you that. piers, private -- i got to keep it private. >> you've done this successfully. i was trawling trying to find evidence of endless starlets -- >> why? all you got to do is call, ask me, like president obama, just call me. >> exactly. you see to have been able to protect that side of your life skillfully. >> sure, it's important to me. >> why is it important? and how have you managed to achieve that? >> well, privacy is important to me. and it's -- my relationships, the relationships i have, whether it's -- regardless of who it is, whether it's my girlfriend, ex-wife, little girl, friends, whatever it is,
it's always been important to me to be private and live privately. how do i manage to achieve that? easy. i live far outside of hollywood. i have a farm on the east coast that i like to go to and get away. don't go to restaurants that i know paparazzi are going to be at. i don't go out -- a good place is my house. i built a property that i felt if i never wanted leave it i wouldn't have to. i have evering there, and i love it. a good night is hanging out with friends, we'll have a drink, tequila if you want to get me a gift since i came on your show. friends and have a great bite. really keep things simple core, simple core is a phrase. >> would you get remarried, do you think? or has it put you off for life going through a bad divorce? >> no, not at all. i -- i love relationships.
and again, i honor the relationships that i'm in today. sure, i would be open to it. i learned that, too, some time ago, be open and flexible. you know that, you know? >> of course, of course. >> yeah. >> when we come back, i want to talk to but movies and what your new goals are because famously you have these four goals that you achieved.
♪ >> like that? ♪ >> whoa! ♪ >> ow! >> that was dwayne johnson playing a gay cowboy in "being cool." >> that was -- >> a great role. >> thank you very much. >> i loved that role. it was brilliant for you because it was so left field. >> sure. >> you could have taken route one action movie and would have expected that. the choice of that role was genius, wasn't it? >> thank you. well, it was genius, yes, thank you. it was extraordinarily genius. let's be honest. yeah, well, you know, just
staying in action, that's no fun. that's no fun, you don't grow. i had a great time shooting that movie. that's where i got to know john two volta really -- john travolta really well. wonderful human being. and playing a character so hoot of what people expected me to play. a gay cowboy, wants to make it in hollywood, and head a love and affinity to sing country music love songs written by a woman singing to a man. for example, i sang loretta lynn's "you ain't woman enough to take my man." your favorite song, piers. >> you actually -- your new movie is "fast five," hitting theaters april 29. the fifth installment of the "fast and furious" franchise. let's take a look at this. >> is all this necessary to apprehend a man? >> one's a former federal officer, spent five years in deep cover. the other's a professional criminal. escaped prison twice. we find them, we take them as a team, and we bring them back.
and above all else, we don't ever, ever let them get in the cars. >> what i love about your career in movies is in 2002 you star d ed in "the scorpion king" and got in the guinness book of world records as the highest salary of a debut starring abtor, $5.5 million. >> sure. >> that is still the record, nearly ten years later. >> i know. >> no one's beaten you. >> that's so cool. >> the reason i know this is i've got the certificate from the guinness book of world records for you. >> wow. >> you remain the highest salary in a starring role ever. that's from us -- >> very cool. thank you, my friend. i appreciate that. >> that was quite a remarkable thing. reading your life story, going back into the years of reel deprivation -- i was shocked, you were living off your maid getting chicken nuggets where he
was going -- >> mcdonald's. >> your parents had no money. you witnessed bad stuff with them through lack of money. and i remember the sense comes through of you really hurting you to watch your parents really struggling. >> yeah. >> and you came up with these goals at the time. four goals. can you remember them? >> i do. >> what were they? >> i do. one was to graduate from college. i was the first in my family to go to college. i wanted to graduate. that was a big deal. i wanted to marry dani at that time, my ex-wife and manager. we were together. i wanted to buy my parents a home. they had never lived in a house before. we had grown up in apartments. and the last one was i wanted to fix my grandmother's situation. my grandmother at that time was homeless. and, you know, she had been the matriarch of the family. >> and but all these things. >> i was very fortunate, right. it was a blessing that i was able to do that, yeah. >> right now, "guinness book of
world records," you've got all the money you could wish for, you're making these huge movies. obviously different goals now. what would they be? to pin you down, right, come on, dwayne, what are the next four goals in your life? >> why you got to pin me down? we're friends. no cowboys. >> no danger of me physically pinning you down, relax. >> let's see. be a great daddy and a great example. that's important to me, you know, i struggle with the relationship that i had with my dad as i got older, realized just how important being a great dad is and my dad -- now our relationship is coming together nicely. >> he could never tell you he loved you before. has he told you that he loves you now? >> he has. yeah. big fan. as a matter of fact, he'll take responsibility for me being in the "guinness book of world records." i taught him everything he knows. his favorite quote is "i taught him everything he knows, but i
didn't teach him everything i know." >> being a good dad's one. what else would you put in there? >> being a good dad is one. continue to impact the world in a positive way. in my way, whether it be through making good movies in different genres or -- >> to win an oscar? >> i would love to, sure. >> practice a speech? >> i would love to. >> you must have practiced the speech. >> right now? of course i did. sure. starts off with thanking the good lord. >> how does it end? everyone always saves the best name for last. who would be the last person you would thank in your oscar speech? who's the one person you believe if you had to choose one you owe most to? >> my mom. i would thank my mom. yeah, what a woman. gone through so much. was the rock of the family. held it together for such a long
time, ultimately wound up divorcing my dad. and just -- and just wanted a good life. just wanted a good life for me. just wanted something special for her son. so when i saw them struggling when i was young, 14, 15, 16 years old, i wanted to change that so badly. and, you know, for me, my way of changing it was i could do something with my hands. i could build my body, go to work, do something with my hands. now as we come full circle, able to provide for my parents. but, you know, my mom in particular, though, i mean, what a woman. diagnosed with stage 3b lung cancer two years ago and kicked its [ bleep ]. she's here today. it's interesting, i -- people who are stricken cancer and you come out the other side, everything means so much more. every conversation means so much
more. every text message means so much more. every little thing means so much more. so i would start with the good lord, with the oscar speech. and then with my mom. >> good way to end. dwayne, thank you very much. >> a pleasure, my friend. i really enjoyed it. >> it's been a pleasure. >> yeah, sure. >> that was dwayne johnson, the rock. coming up, a man who knows anyone who's everyone in hollywood and almost certainly this guy, as well, jerry weintraub. ♪ stay inside? nah. not when you have a five-star overall vehicle score for safety. one more reason chevy traverse delivers more. usa prime credit. you have question?. ok...peggy. yes, i have 100,000 reward points.
breaking news, a british news report saying a senior aide to gadhafi's son was in london recently for secret talks. details on that. plus, new details on the top gadhafi official who fled to tripoli. and the woman who said she was gang raped by gadhafi forces and has since disappeared. new details on what's happened to her. this as intense fighting continues on the ground including in misurata where cnn has been able to send a correspondent. his report is shocking. you'll see it tonight. the city destroyed, the people there struggling to survive. and a gripping interview with four "new york times" journalists captured in libya, bound, baeneaten, sexually assaulted. sovereign of the security line. you never take an upgrade for granted. and you rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle. and go. you can even take a full-size or above. and still pay the mid-size price.
my next guest is the power behind the scenes in hollywood, the motion whoul made some of the biggest block busters in years. now he's a star of a new hbo documentary called "his way," based on the book, "when i stop talking, you'll know i'm dead." jerry weintraub joins me now. don't stop talking right now, jerry, we won't have a good show. >> i won't stop, i promise i won't stop. you'll have to stop me. >> the documentary is fascinating. it's fabulous. i was trying to think of the best way is on to see explain you and your story to the viewers. and we found a clip which i think it says all from a documentary. i want to play this straight away. >> jerry weintraub is -- >> jerry weintraub is --
>> jerry weintraub is -- >> jerry weintraub is -- >> he's a puncher. >> he never gets down and quits. he's that guy. he's the cliched guy that fights harder. >> it is a rare bird. >> he's a lot of things to a lot of different people. >> he's ringling brothers, barnum and bailey. >> houdini. >> forrest gump. >> you can't buy him dinner. >> he knows how to [ bleep ] with somebody. >> tough as nails but his a mushy, marshmallow center. >> that's one of the great personal commercials i've ever seen, jerry. you can buy that. if i was to ask you, jerry weintraub is -- what would you say? >> on "piers morgan tonight." >> how would you describe yourself? >> you know, it's hard for me to describe myself. that's why i -- you can't produce your own documentary. and people ask me, where did all this come from, and how long did it take to write the book and how long did it take to do it? took 73 years. i'm 73 years old. i lived a very full and charmed
life. i'm a lucky guy. i came from wonderful parents and a wonderful background. and i love every day of my life. i got lucky. i'm not at mutual of omaha typing out insurance policies. >> i mean, it's called "his way." one of your earle friends was frank sinatra who obviously sang "my way" so memorably. what was he like, sinatra? >> he was a great guy. when i first met frank, he called me -- he called me. and i had been working with elvis at the time. he wanted me to take him out of retirement. take him on the road and put him in big arenas. he had not played big arenas, he had played small places. and i -- small, 5,000, 6,000 seats. i took him to 20,000 seats. so he called me and asked me to do that. and the first show we did together was at carnegie hall. and i really didn't know -- i knew him, but i didn't know him well. and his name was francis albert
sinatra. and i was standing at the curtain in carnegie hall, show time. it was black tie. and i was peeking out the curtain to see the people come in, i love to watch the people come in. i love to sell tickets. sell t-shirts, i'llwant. and i go, look through the curtain and i felt a tap on my shoulder and i turned around and it was sinatra. and he said to me, it's 8:00. the show says 8:00. the tickets say 8:00. i said, but there's nobody in the theater. they didn't get in yet. it's a new york crowd. they come late. let's start. >> really? >> what are we going to do about an audience. he said, they'll be in their seats as soon as they hear the music. and boom, he went out there, the audience came running in, they sat down and it was a great show. >> that's fascinating. that shows me why sinatra became one of the greatest stars, because he had that kind of
steely determination, confidence, professionalism. what do you think, of all these people -- you've worked with all of them. you've worked with elvis and frank and everybody else. what do you think separates the good from the great when it comes to stars? >> well, sinatra knew how to tell a story in song. that's where i learned how to make movies, listening to his songs, and he knew character and knew how to take an audience from here, up here, back here, and then back again. >> is it the same in movies? >> sure, it is. >> grabbing an audience? >> you've got to catch them, hook them and keep them and keep going and you've got to take them -- give them a little rest and take them back up. >> we lost elizabeth taylor recently. you must have known her well. >> very well. >> sad to see her go? >> yes. i was very, very sad to see her go. but i was very sad about how
sick she was toward the end. and how much she suffered. she obviously suffered a lot. she had illnesses all through her life. it's too bad she went. at her aim, she could have gone to 90 or 100. like george burns. i made his 80th birthday and they wouldn't insure him for "oh good" and he lived to 100. >> if you were casting a dream movie, who would you leading man and woman be? it could be anybody. >> well, clooney is always on my list aor carey grant. >> george is the new carey grant. >> sort of. he's a very handsome man. >> and who's the woman? >> i think right now of all the ladies, depending on the kind of
role it is, angie. angelina jolie is brilliant. i love meryl streep. she can do anything. i love annette bening. >> she's a great actress. >> great actress. >> when we come back, i want to talk to you about your life and in particular, your rather complicated private life, which you seem to be juggling very successfully. ♪ [ male announcer ] lately, there's been a lot of talk about fuel efficiency, hybrids, and plug-in vehicles. and we've got cars like that, even trucks. but we can do more. when you buy a chevrolet, we'll invest in renewable energy, energy efficiency, and tree-planting programs across america, reducing carbon emissions by up to 8 million metric tons over the next few years in just one more way, we can proudly say, chevy runs deep.
>> i told will smith i was going to be asked that question, and i was going to answer it. he said, great. that's great. >> i want to turn -- this is complicated, or bordering on genius. this is your domestic situation. you're still married to your wife of 46 years, jane morgan. and yet you live with your girlfriend of 20 years. how have you pulled this off, jerry? >> well, i haven't pulled it off. everybody in hollywood asks me this question. how can i do this? i say, it just happened. and it happened this way. jane lived in europe. she had a different set of circumstances than everybody else. she felt different about marital relationships and told me early on in our marriage, if you meet somebody else that you want to be with, just please come and tell me and we'll figure it out. but don't hurt me, don't hurt
the kids and i said, we've got a deal, no problem. so when i fell in love with suzy, and at first it was just a working relationship. she worked with me. she executive produces all of my films. it was a working relationship, a very casual one. as time went on, things changed. and jane and i grew apart. not our marriage didn't fall apart, just our relationship was still there. i still love her. i talk to her five times a day. she has whatever she wants. but i fell in love with suzy. and i went to jane, and i said, jane, i've fallen in love with another woman. she said, i know. and i know who it is. and i like her. she's really nice. and i think this is okay, we'll figure it out. i said, do you want a divorce? you can have half of everything, which is substantial, take it and go on your way and i'll go
on my way. she said, jerry, there's no reason for a divorce, because unless suzy needs to be married immediately, there's no reason for a divorce, because you have a big estate. you want to sit in front of lawyers and have the "war of the roses? "i don't want to do that, it's a waste of time, they'll get millions of dollars from you and it's crazy. >> you're the envy of hollywood, jerry. the big question is, has he got any plans to expand the hiring? >> no, no, no. i've been offered but i have no plans. the fact is, you know, i am the envy of hollywood, but also omaha, nebraska, and macon, georgia. the fact is, these two women did this, i didn't do it. they get the credit. >> you've picked very good women, haven't you? >> yes. i've been lucky twice. most guys